Thank you very much Rajan, Guy, Bob K, democracy4now, nnydd and Pak Kadok for commenting on our previous entry, Of DAP, Pas and Keadilan 3 - Keadilan’s Dilemma with Pas
From Rajan’s blog entry :
ShinShin says PKR doesn’t want to leave its alliance with PAS because they don’t want to further divide the Malay vote.
Hmm… That’s not what I said. Zukri was merely telling the truth that it is difficult for a party that allies with neither Umno nor Pas to get supports from traditional Malay ground. I did not mention dividing Malay support at all.
Look at DAP. Why with justice, human rights and equality, they more often than not fail to capture the significant Malay support they deserved, for example in Balik Pulau and rural Province Wellesley ? Don’t they know Malay support is crucial too ? Perhaps they need some soul searching. Anyway, there are also exceptions, such as when the late Ahmad Nor won in Bayan Baru.
How exactly is that a good reason? I thought PKR was suppose to rise above communal politics?
True, every party should. Both Justice for All and Malaysian Malaysia envisage a free and fair society where justice and equality flourish. However, seems like it’s easier for Keadilan to reach out to Chinese community than DAP to reach out to the Malay ground, why ? Why is DEMA and New Vision Studio strongly backing, for example, Tian ? Would they, had Tian wanted to turn Malaysia into another Taleban or Saudi ?
Umno and MCA will still claim that a vote for DAP is a vote less for BN to block Pas thus a vote for Islamic state, eventhough it is no longer in Alternative Front. Do we blame the biased media totally for demonising Islam ? Or it’s due to DAP’s failure to engage aggressively and explain ?
Reformation can only be achieved with support from everybody. Pas have admitted that. Nobody in his sound mind would deny the importance of votes from the biggest group if he is serious about implementing his visions by forming the government. Unless he is satisfied with a niche and never wish to become mainstream.
In any case, many Malays are voting UMNO simply because PKR is in bed with PAS, and many Malays are voting PAS simply because it is in an alliance with PKR. In other words, PKR has the possibility of further dividing the Malay vote, making the non-Malay vote an important swing. And with DAP, it can split the Chinese vote and gain a significant amount of the Indian vote.
Right again. The three main perjuangans in Malaysia are for Malay, Islam and Malaysia respectively. Everyone who agrees with our common goals should come into our fold. Both DAP and Pas supporters want a clean and just Malaysia, don’t they ? However, every alliance has its opportunity cost, especially before Pas and DAP see the bigger picture. It is for the leadership and their think tank to evaluate which parties should we align to, taking into consideration the people’s wish.
We are not unhappy with Keadilan’s alliances. We want DAP to engage more. If Alternative Front is dissolved, it will only add another feather on BN’s cap to claim that the alternative parties are split. All must come together to topple the corrupt and racist regime. Our common enemy is BN, whose discrimination dwarfs the difference between alternative parties. Pas must walk the talk and de-emphasis those policies that are not rejected.
From Guy of Melancholy blog,
Hopefully the new leaders of PAS will herald a change in the mindset of the party.
Some like The Sun / The Edge’s Oon Yeoh said however reformist their new line-up is, it is still very much backward in the eyes of many. They should realise this and look into it if they don’t wish to be rejected again, the sooner the better. To be fair, we must give them a benefit of doubt.
i have read a book on party politics. The author mentions that in a political party keeping quiet is never a good option. when there is a conflicting issue (i.e. stem cells research) instead of keeping quiet, the party should release 2 statements. The more progressive and controversial should be voiced by the youth party and the more conservative should be voiced by the err.. non youth party.
in this way, the public and media will see that there is a healthy debate going on (provided things dont go out of hand). if things do get outta hand, the President can always issue a statement
Yes. Keadilan leadership should know that joining hands with Pas in fighting against injustice, racism and corruption doesn’t mean we have to keep quiet when Pas tries to introduce torture and cruelty. If we are serious in fighting cruelty and upholding human rights, we must speak up regardless of who are the culprits.
Debate is a must. In order to convince the constituents, we can present it in the different ways. Radicals and moderates are both needed to engage different segments of the society, but we should not double speak or try to cheat, or else we will become another BN ? Forms can differ but the substance must be consistent.
From democracy4now of Sungai Dua Bukit Jambul metroblog,
The problem here is precisely that the big boss - the people has no say and not given choice in deciding the kind of political options for them. Given a more open/discussive political culture Malaysians can use referendum/opinion polls/open forum to canvass the opinions - even among Opposition supporters to ascertain the popular position prefered. The parties need to support the people - not the other way round. When the parties are no more than war lords who hijack the people’s voices then we see this choiceless choice.
Yes, agreed totally. Pas didn’t realise that there are much fewer supporters for Hudud than supporters of reformation, thus they were rejected. Only if we embrace what the majority wants sincerely, they will have faith in us.
There is another choice : the people need to show political parties some ‘colours’ by putting them on the spot for a political check-up before they get support, or arrange the political ‘marriage’. Discussions like you have here need to be extended /opened up more so more options can be found. Otherwise we remain hijacked by political parties as warlords - whether of the BN or BA brand. Make sense ?
Exactly. The people must be heard. Parties must deliver what the people want, or we will face another rejection. We must start the ball rolling so there will be more dialogues and exchanges.
From Pak Kadok,
Actually, it’s a lose, lose situation here for PAS, PKR & DAP. Either way they will lose support, esp. for DAP if they co-operate.
Malaysia has an immature electorate. They are immature as they believe crap such as what PAS would do if they come to power. But everyone knows that PAS cannot come to power on its own , esp. when they can’t even win a seat in east M’sia. Even if they do, some of their MPs might “lompat”.
Anyway, I believe the independent/swing voters are the ones that decide. And if you court one side, you loses the other side. Thus, it’s a lose, lose situation for the opposition camp. Either way, they only get the “crumbs.”
Only when they realise BN can only be toppled if both stop infighting. Hudud and Islamic state wont win the hearts of majority Malaysians. It’s no longer 7th century. Rejecting cruelty is different from rejecting good virtues promoted by religions. BN’s injustice and corruption are real while Hudud is an imaginative threat being exaggerated.
When are Pas and DAP supporters going to see it ? Pas is going to engage the non Muslims, but it will be merely lip services if they don’t compromise, it’s as simple as that. When is DAP ready to engage the wider community and be truly Malaysian ?
nnydd of Anak Alam blog commented something which I think is quite another topic so we will discuss in the next entry